wen294 said: LucianRoy said: If the phase were to end in 5 minutes, I wouldn't mind lynching Togs tbh. My reasons are weak but they're reasons. I'm completly cool with lynching Togs too, but what's your take on AbuHeman? Are you willing to lynch him too? If we can't lynch scum we need to at least lynch an inactive. I'm pretty neutral on Abu. I will say this though, he's not replicating anything he did D1 in the morning after, and he was town. Take that with a grain of salt. |
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ironace said: __________________________________________________________________ ok, so you all are saying that lastwhisper is scummy for defending nearly everyone. But his behaviour is not beneficial for neither mafia nor town.So why is he doing this? __________________________________________________________________ @abuhumaid, no hate for you, but you and some others like @togs are too quite. Enlighten us as to who you think is scummy and why? Why, good morals is probably the answer to that though I try defending people who are being scum read by NAI shit or just stupid stuff. As mafia its risky, but as town you wouldn't want to risk a mislynch due to bad reads. People are always quiet, we can lynch those players and move on it just sucks it they're town. |
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LucianRoy said: I am highly incredulous we'll achieve a lynch today, and I saw this coming page 1. I figured as much, which is why i wanted everyone to come to a consensus earlier in the day >_> |
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| unvote (I thought I had unvoted my RVS. Mustve forgot about it) Halfway through my read from Page 3 onwards I had started suspecting Lucian as scum with how he had managed to get everyone's eyes off of him and onto LW just as a train had started to form on him. That too when the reason on voting on LW was weak. Plus being wary of people who have been town reading him calling it as white-knighting by scum is suspicious too. He seems overly aware of it. Rather uncomfortable by it. Normally one wouldn't even look too much into town reads. But nothing he says is specifically scummy. Then he asked people what they thought of the sleip vs his discussion, which is more towny. Was gonna vote on him but can't take chances right now. As for LW, he certainly did over react to the pressure. But not in the scummy way |
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AlbertinoDias said: we should not use the mechanics of the game part as an indicator of alignment, why you ask??, well because i think i was the one that started it (and for what i'm watching... i'm sorry) but it was only because i like to have the details of the game, the most outcomes i can save in my head.... i did many mistakes because i did not have them (like the werewolf game from the Halloween event); and what Gwen did, i was not very satisfied with it, the post #290, he says he is willing to vote an active if someone wants to, and because a train has 5 people he drops... a train he helped to form... to me, this indicates something like... hey guys mafia are all actives, let's kill the ones that aren't so mafia has advantage... (i can be looking too much into this xD it's true :D) or he's just saying that he has nothing to do with Last anymore in case he is voted off.... yeah... something like this... I think that was merely because she had to sleep and did not want her vote to cause a lynch when she wasn't even awake. It could be scum tell who is worried about feed back from a faulty lynch, or a town tell from a person who doesnt want to risk another townies life with hard facts. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: LucianRoy said: I am highly incredulous we'll achieve a lynch today, and I saw this coming page 1. I figured as much, which is why i wanted everyone to come to a consensus earlier in the day >_> LucianRoy said: and it would be much better if during roughly 2/3rds of the way through day phase we start to consolidate town votes on a single person we can come to a consensus on instead of postponing that decision until the very last minute. gotcha |
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Red_Salmon said: unvote (I thought I had unvoted my RVS. Mustve forgot about it) Halfway through my read from Page 3 onwards I had started suspecting Lucian as scum with how he had managed to get everyone's eyes off of him and onto LW just as a train had started to form on him. That too when the reason on voting on LW was weak. Plus being wary of people who have been town reading him calling it as white-knighting by scum is suspicious too. He seems overly aware of it. Rather uncomfortable by it. Normally one wouldn't even look too much into town reads. But nothing he says is specifically scummy. Then he asked people what they thought of the sleip vs his discussion, which is more towny. Was gonna vote on him but can't take chances right now. As for LW, he certainly did over react to the pressure. But not in the scummy way Wrong Lucian is one of those players that looks into town reads, espically those on himself. He knows the dangers of being pocketed which is exactly why hes concerned about your vote and the others who voted him for very vague reasons. Scum would want to pocket someone that looks and feels like a town aligned player. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Red_Salmon said: unvote (I thought I had unvoted my RVS. Mustve forgot about it) Halfway through my read from Page 3 onwards I had started suspecting Lucian as scum with how he had managed to get everyone's eyes off of him and onto LW just as a train had started to form on him. That too when the reason on voting on LW was weak. Plus being wary of people who have been town reading him calling it as white-knighting by scum is suspicious too. He seems overly aware of it. Rather uncomfortable by it. Normally one wouldn't even look too much into town reads. But nothing he says is specifically scummy. Then he asked people what they thought of the sleip vs his discussion, which is more towny. Was gonna vote on him but can't take chances right now. As for LW, he certainly did over react to the pressure. But not in the scummy way Wrong Lucian is one of those players that looks into town reads, espically those on himself. He knows the dangers of being pocketed which is exactly why hes concerned about your vote and the others who voted him for very vague reasons. Scum would want to pocket someone that looks and feels like a town aligned player. Guess I'm inexperienced to be glossing over those things. Gwendolly said: That's taken for granted yet she was the one shouting out the time yet doing nothing about it or be of any help @Suzune-chan also mentioned about my partial inactivity. I'm sorry for that but it was like 5am at the time you guys were posting this. I need muh sleep. Also, Im a guy :| |
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Red_Salmon said: unvote (I thought I had unvoted my RVS. Mustve forgot about it) Halfway through my read from Page 3 onwards I had started suspecting Lucian as scum with how he had managed to get everyone's eyes off of him and onto LW just as a train had started to form on him. That too when the reason on voting on LW was weak. Please explain where my reasoning for voting Last is faulty and/or weak. Plus being wary of people who have been town reading him calling it as white-knighting by scum is suspicious too. He seems overly aware of it. Rather uncomfortable by it. Normally one wouldn't even look too much into town reads. You never explained your townread on me. But nothing he says is specifically scummy. Then he asked people what they thought of the sleip vs his discussion, which is more towny. So am I being townread by you now, or scumread? Was gonna vote on him but can't take chances right now. As for LW, he certainly did over react to the pressure. But not in the scummy way Why is his overreaction town to you? Vote: Red_Salmon You flip-flop quite a bit in this post. @Suzune-chan, Salmon seems to be slinging a fair amount of mud in my direction yet doesn't revote me, nor comes to a conclusion on my alignment. What do you make of it? |
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| @LucianRoy Flip flop? :/ not at all friend (not sure if that was a salmon joke on your part) I did come to a conclusion. I said you were towny in the second para. The first para says why I was considering you to be scum. And it was all coming down to town reads. Normally scum would be the only ones who wouldn't want other scum to be buddying up to them in front of town as that could be allignment indicative if 1 got lynched. Your reaction to when other people read you as town was based on that understanding of mine and hence felt off. Cuz townies wouldnt bother with town reads. Now Shinichi also told me that you do this often. So more leaning towards town now. |
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Red_Salmon said: @LucianRoy Flip flop? :/ not at all friend (not sure if that was a salmon joke on your part) I did come to a conclusion. I said you were towny in the second para. The first para says why I was considering you to be scum. And it was all coming down to town reads. Normally scum would be the only ones who wouldn't want other scum to be buddying up to them in front of town as that could be allignment indicative if 1 got lynched. Your reaction to when other people read you as town was based on that understanding of mine and hence felt off. Cuz townies wouldnt bother with town reads. Now Shinichi also told me that you do this often. So more leaning towards town now. If your conclusion was to read me town... Red_Salmon said: Was gonna vote on him but can't take chances right now. Then this line would be very counter-intuitive, no? |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| 8 votes for Salmon please. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| Outside of toys who else would people be willing to lynch in the last hour we havr, I only have about 45 mins to decide for my shift starts |
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LucianRoy said: 8 votes for Salmon please. Guess that answers my previous post vote:red salmon normally people who mud sling or flip flop are scum. Though I can't say much when comes to my voting pattern |
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| @LucianRoy replies to #360 Please explain where my reasoning for voting Last is faulty and/or weak I consider it weak because you initially voted on him because he merely town-read you during early game (like many others including me) Why is his overreaction town to you? Well if he were scum he'd be more forceful about it, in a way. I'd expect to atleast hear something about voting from his side like "why are there 3 people voting me now?" or "now that i've explained it would you mind unvoting". Just a feeling I guess. LucianRoy said: Red_Salmon said: @LucianRoy Flip flop? :/ not at all friend (not sure if that was a salmon joke on your part) I did come to a conclusion. I said you were towny in the second para. The first para says why I was considering you to be scum. And it was all coming down to town reads. Normally scum would be the only ones who wouldn't want other scum to be buddying up to them in front of town as that could be allignment indicative if 1 got lynched. Your reaction to when other people read you as town was based on that understanding of mine and hence felt off. Cuz townies wouldnt bother with town reads. Now Shinichi also told me that you do this often. So more leaning towards town now. If your conclusion was to read me town... Red_Salmon said: Was gonna vote on him but can't take chances right now. Then this line would be very counter-intuitive, no? By the phrase 'take chances', I meant that I couldn't just vote on you based on my hunch of you being sensitive to people town-reading you. Cuz that would be a loss if you were actually town (which has significantly greater chances)(Though chances of you being mafia aren't zero) |
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| @red_salmon regardless it's a 50/50 when it comes down to the flip |
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| home finally and to my pleasure firefox aint working... Gonna backread! |
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Red_Salmon said: @LucianRoy replies to #360 Please explain where my reasoning for voting Last is faulty and/or weak I consider it weak because you initially voted on him because he merely town-read you during early game (like many others including me) I consider it strong because he believed he isolated my town game on page 1 from posts that were mostly NAI. There's more to it than an early townread. Why is his overreaction town to you? Well if he were scum he'd be more forceful about it, in a way. I'd expect to atleast hear something about voting from his side like "why are there 3 people voting me now?" or "now that i've explained it would you mind unvoting". Just a feeling I guess. Debateable. By the phrase 'take chances', I meant that I couldn't just vote on you based on my hunch of you being sensitive to people town-reading you. Cuz that would be a loss if you were actually town (which has significantly greater chances)(Though chances of you being mafia aren't zero) I'm more interested in why you posture a vote over a person who you said you townread in post 361. Who are you top current scumreads and townreads? |
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LucianRoy said: Red_Salmon said: @LucianRoy Flip flop? :/ not at all friend (not sure if that was a salmon joke on your part) I did come to a conclusion. I said you were towny in the second para. The first para says why I was considering you to be scum. And it was all coming down to town reads. Normally scum would be the only ones who wouldn't want other scum to be buddying up to them in front of town as that could be allignment indicative if 1 got lynched. Your reaction to when other people read you as town was based on that understanding of mine and hence felt off. Cuz townies wouldnt bother with town reads. Now Shinichi also told me that you do this often. So more leaning towards town now. If your conclusion was to read me town... Red_Salmon said: Was gonna vote on him but can't take chances right now. Then this line would be very counter-intuitive, no? Yes it is, vote:red_salmon |
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LucianRoy said: Red_Salmon said: @LucianRoy replies to #360 I consider it weak because you initially voted on him because he merely town-read you during early game (like many others including me) I consider it strong because he believed he isolated my town game on page 1 from posts that were mostly NAI. There's more to it than an early townread. How so? I do not comprehend. By the phrase 'take chances', I meant that I couldn't just vote on you based on my hunch of you being sensitive to people town-reading you. Cuz that would be a loss if you were actually town (which has significantly greater chances)(Though chances of you being mafia aren't zero) I'm more interested in why you posture a vote over a person who you said you townread in post 361. Who are you top current scumreads and townreads? The chances of you powerwolfing are never zero >.> guys who play an active town game can easily go unnoticed in their scum games cuz of towniness No scumreads as of now though. Like I've said before I'm suspecting mafia to be playing the stealthy/lurker game. Letting town fight amongst themselves while they watch and eat popcorn. As for townreads, it's you, LW and Sleipnirr. Mainly because of the activity of the three. LW and Sleipnirr had initially endeavored to get the game on track back in page 2 |
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| Tick Tick Tick Time is running out Vote Count 1.4 LucianRoy (3): The_Pyromaani, Sleipnirr, AlbertinoDias AlbertinoDias (1): Zymf Wen294 (1): Togs Suzune-Chan (1): aa-dono Red_Salmon (3): Lucian Roy, Shinichi-Kun, ironace LastWhisper31 (1): Suzune-Chan Togs (1): Wen294 Not Voting (4): AbuHumaid, Gwendolly, LastWhisper31, Red_Salmon With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Time until Night 1 Please alert me if I've made any mistakes and I'll correct them asap. |
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Red_Salmon said: LucianRoy said: I consider it strong because he believed he isolated my town game on page 1 from posts that were mostly NAI. There's more to it than an early townread. How so? I do not comprehend. If he's scum, he's already well aware that I'm town, and that jump in logic would seem reasonable from a scum-mindset, when in reality town is dipping their toes in the water and cannot make early page 1 judgements like these. A lot of my posts on page one were also Non-alignment-indicative because they talk about optimal strategy/approach. Something I could easily bring up as scum. The chances of you powerwolfing are never zero >.> guys who play an active town game can easily go unnoticed in their scum games cuz of towniness This is a hypothetical you have on the backburner of your mind. If I am really powerwolfing my way into the game, there should be evidence to support this, no? No scumreads as of now though. Like I've said before I'm suspecting mafia to be playing the stealthy/lurker game. Letting town fight amongst themselves while they watch and eat popcorn. You don't have any scumreads? |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| so red has 3 votes, and is forming a train, so, summarize why you think i should go with this train and not go with togs?? (well i can also say i'm not into you Lucian right now, doesn't mean you're off the hook) but i think the inactive strategy for day 1 is the best option we have right now... (and i have time so i can "change my vote last second") :) |
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Shinichi-Kun said: The_Pyromaani said: Also any guesses how many baddies / third parties there are? From my experience with 15 player games it has been like. 3 baddies and 2 tpr. Thats just my overall experience from past. I could be wrong this time tho. Either that or we consider no tpr which would make it [11|4] Only way we can confirm any tpr that i could think of is to wait for some secondary NK. Yes and no. It also can be Vigilante kill too. Since vig might exist in this but with two night kills yea we know here is more than 1 killing role. |
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| and i just saw we have less then 50min... i think we won't be able to get 8 people together unless we go for togs, the 3 that are voting for the fish, + me + the fish itself make 5 people, + the one on togs already it makes 6 people... we would still need 2 more, if we go for the fish you'll just have 4 votes and need to 4 more poeple get online, like right now... well, with pyro here now, it is 1 more for togs and 3 more for the fish :P (yea i know i'm calling you fish) P.S added the pyro part |
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| I am burdened by proficiency. --- AlbertinoDias said: so red has 3 votes, and is forming a train, so, summarize why you think i should go with this train and not go with togs?? (well i can also say i'm not into you Lucian right now, doesn't mean you're off the hook) but i think the inactive strategy for day 1 is the best option we have right now... (and i have time so i can "change my vote last second") :) I don't like how when I called him out, he tried to defuse the conflict by reading me town instead of address why I voted him, he also backtracked on his words because he clearly says he was considering voting me in one post, and then says I'm town in the next. I feel like town would be more conclusive in their reads, especially on someone like myself. He also has no scumreads and did not revote. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| If we no-lynch today, we will be in exactly the same position tomorrow. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| so who shall we vote for? shall we let red fish go and lynch togs or ...? |
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LucianRoy said: If we no-lynch today, we will be in exactly the same position tomorrow. only worse |
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Grapefruit21 said: Tick Tick Tick Time is running out Vote Count 1.4 LucianRoy (3): The_Pyromaani, Sleipnirr, AlbertinoDias AlbertinoDias (1): Zymf Wen294 (1): Togs Suzune-Chan (1): aa-dono Red_Salmon (3): ironace, Shinichi-Kun, ironace LastWhisper31 (1): Suzune-Chan Togs (1): Wen294 Not Voting (4): AbuHumaid, Gwendolly, LastWhisper31, Red_Salmon With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Time until Night 1 Please alert me if I've made any mistakes and I'll correct them asap. Pyro and Alberto change their votes from me to Salmon. Suzune votes salmon. Gwen votes Salmon. And either Zymf or Last hammers. That's the only thing I see happening. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
LucianRoy said: I am burdened by proficiency. --- AlbertinoDias said: so red has 3 votes, and is forming a train, so, summarize why you think i should go with this train and not go with togs?? (well i can also say i'm not into you Lucian right now, doesn't mean you're off the hook) but i think the inactive strategy for day 1 is the best option we have right now... (and i have time so i can "change my vote last second") :) I don't like how when I called him out, he tried to defuse the conflict by reading me town instead of address why I voted him, he also backtracked on his words because he clearly says he was considering voting me in one post, and then says I'm town in the next. I feel like town would be more conclusive in their reads, especially on someone like myself. He also has no scumreads and did not revote. I do understand what you're saying and maybe you are actually right but, i don't think it will work, because of what i said up there, we need 3 people to come online, in under 30min to vote for Salmon... so that's why i think everyone should play it safe and fo for togs right now, it's my opinion, unvote vote: Togs (last post seen #379) |
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| Shinichi can't change now, can he?? |
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AlbertinoDias said: LucianRoy said: I am burdened by proficiency. --- I don't like how when I called him out, he tried to defuse the conflict by reading me town instead of address why I voted him, he also backtracked on his words because he clearly says he was considering voting me in one post, and then says I'm town in the next. I feel like town would be more conclusive in their reads, especially on someone like myself. He also has no scumreads and did not revote. I do understand what you're saying and maybe you are actually right but, i don't think it will work, because of what i said up there, we need 3 people to come online, in under 30min to vote for Salmon... so that's why i think everyone should play it safe and fo for togs right now, it's my opinion, unvote vote: Togs (last post seen #379) There are more votes on Salmon than on Togs rn? |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
LucianRoy said: AlbertinoDias said: I do understand what you're saying and maybe you are actually right but, i don't think it will work, because of what i said up there, we need 3 people to come online, in under 30min to vote for Salmon... so that's why i think everyone should play it safe and fo for togs right now, it's my opinion, unvote vote: Togs (last post seen #379) There are more votes on Salmon than on Togs rn? yes, but everyone on salmon can change and on togs can't (but know i see they are in the same position because of shinichi) and for togs, salmon can also vote, he should also vote in that case... so it's 1 more vote :) |
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| But Togs is inactive, and I have valid reasons for thinking Salmon might be scum. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
LucianRoy said: But Togs is inactive, and I have valid reasons for thinking Salmon might be scum. i know, i understand, and i can see why you're suspicious of him, but, the chances of us locking someone and that one being salmon are very low... we have 27min, we need 3 more people to come online.... |
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AlbertinoDias said: LucianRoy said: But Togs is inactive, and I have valid reasons for thinking Salmon might be scum. i know, i understand, and i can see why you're suspicious of him, but, the chances of us locking someone and that one being salmon are very low... we have 27min, we need 3 more people to come online.... How are there greater chances of Locking on someone who's been inactive for 24 hours, and has one stationary vote on them? The Salmon train has two stationary votes on them atm, mine and chad's, (he's probably busy). |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
AlbertinoDias said: LucianRoy said: But Togs is inactive, and I have valid reasons for thinking Salmon might be scum. i know, i understand, and i can see why you're suspicious of him, but, the chances of us locking someone and that one being salmon are very low... we have 27min, we need 3 more people to come online.... Im sure people will come online soon enough..or atleast i hope so... |
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LucianRoy said: AlbertinoDias said: i know, i understand, and i can see why you're suspicious of him, but, the chances of us locking someone and that one being salmon are very low... we have 27min, we need 3 more people to come online.... How are there greater chances of Locking on someone who's been inactive for 24 hours, and has one stationary vote on them? The Salmon train has two stationary votes on them atm, mine and chad's, (he's probably busy). because we have salmons vote on top of that and that means we would only need 1 more vote (but now i see chinichi is also offline, and that would mean we need 2 more votes...) that's why we have more chances |
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| @LucianRoy we gonna go for salmon? |
~I am just one sadist who supports friends~ |
Without question. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| i'll do this i'll change my vote change vote: Red_Salmon but, if chad comes back and Salmon also votes for Togs, i will change my vote for Togs again :) |
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If you say so. I've never been fan of day ones cause its basically gambling in some sense. But we cant go anywhere without opening gate from somewhere. Also wai u think Salmon is scum= Unvote Vote: Red_salmon |
~I am just one sadist who supports friends~ |
| Tick Tick Tick Time is running out --- Still Vote Count 1.5 LucianRoy (1): Sleipnirr AlbertinoDias (1): Zymf Wen294 (1): Togs Suzune-Chan (1): aa-dono Red_Salmon (5): Lucian Roy, Shinichi-Kun, ironace, AlbertinoDias, The_Pyromaani LastWhisper31 (1): Suzune-Chan Togs (1): Wen294 Not Voting (4): AbuHumaid, Gwendolly, LastWhisper31, Red_Salmon With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Time until Night 1 Please alert me if I've made any mistakes and I'll correct them asap. |
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| @grapefruit21 spelling of my name krhm. |
~I am just one sadist who supports friends~ |
| @Suzune-chan @Gwendolly @Laswhisper31 @Zymf @Wen294 Vote por favor. --- The_Pyromaani said: Also wai u think Salmon is scum= I don't think he is town because when I called him out for post 354, he tried to defuse the conflict by reading me town instead of addressing why I voted him, he also backtracked on his words because he clearly says he was considering voting me in one post (354), and then says I'm town in the next (361). I feel like town would be more conclusive in their reads, especially on someone like myself. He also has no scumreads and did not revote. This doesn't show motivation to solve the game, and could be cautious scum. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| Por favor?? xD (@lastwhisper31 look up :) ) |
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| 10min, we are screwed... |
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| In the event of a No-lynch: We just have a second D1 tomorrow. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
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